4K movie using HF s 200

[ranjithbajpe]

Dear Friends,

I dont know this is a idiotic question.

I want to make one movie, with less budget, and want to show this in a theater. I have Canon HF s200 camera.

I have a question..Can I make 4 K movies through this?

I tried making one from the footage of HF S 200 and Adobe After Effects.

It plays well in PC.

Is that same will work for movie theater?

If possible how to play it there?

[Daniel Rutter]

All you are doing is stretching a 1920x1080 file into 4K...

You can't tell if it's different if you're only playing it on a computer monitor with max resolution of 1920x1080. You would need to take that file to a theatre, plug it into their 4K projector and actually see it in the full 4K resolution to be sure.

[dop16mm]

A significant number of digital studio releases are still 2k, so the theaters that are 4k have scalers to handle the upres, probably much better than you could do yourself. I wouldn't worry about it. You'd probably have to outsource for the final DCP package anyway.

[drapeama]

I have Canon HF s200 camera. [..] Can I make 4 K movies through this?

As Daniel said, you're only "uprezing" the native 1080 video. Quick answer would be: no.
On the other hand, with some meticulous work in AE, you can enlarge the video and sharpen it, but it won't be as good as higher resolution video, like 4K.

On the other hand, like dop16mm said, I wouldn't bother with that at this time. 28 Days Later has been shot in miniDV format on Canon XL cameras. It's been played on theatres and no one complained about the quality. Want to know why? Because Danny Boyle (director) didn't focused on the contained, but rather what's it contained. You should do basically the same at this point of your project.
Well, that's my 0.02¢.

[ranjithbajpe]

Thank u all for the replies..

AS its low budget movie, Its better I wil stick to my camera only

And I should drop the plan of 4k Also.

I am wondering what should be the output format.

[dop16mm]

The output format for digital cinema is called DCP, digital cinema package. It is based around the jpeg 2000 codec, but in a specific wrapper, like how a dvd is more complicated than just mpeg2. There are some freeware programs available for this, but is usually done by a vendor that specializes in getting it right. I wouldn't worry about that now. It is possible, if your end film is good enough to justify it. Just worry about making your film for now. Your output format prior to dcp should be at least uncompressed, or frame sequence like tiff or dpx, but again, that is your final render.

[Dr. Benway]

If you shoot everything twice in 24/1080p you can interlace each frame and those frames with twice as much information will be crisp true 4K. Not.

[Almohada]

Why not shoot on film while you're at it? You can get 40000k resolution.

[Krane]

Thank u all for the replies..

AS its low budget movie, Its better I wil stick to my camera only

That's one choice. On the other hand, there's always websites like Indiegogo that can help you bring your project to fruition?

http://www.indiegogo.com/

I am wondering what should be the output format.

You output should match your final destination. The good news is that it can be output with variety. As for you 4k endeavors, why not simply rent the camera that best suits your needs?

And I should drop the plan of 4k Also.

Not entirely, but you should rethink it.

If you shoot everything twice in 24/1080p you can interlace each frame and those frames with twice as much information will be crisp true 4K. Not.

Do you have to shoot simultaneously or would that be two cameras at once? I hear that if you marry two HD cameras together you get 4k. No?

[Erik Bien]

I hear that if you marry two HD cameras together you get 4k. No?

Actually, you'd need ~4 HD cameras to equal 4K (4096x2304) — so-called "Quad HD" or "4K HD" is a slightly-smaller 3840x2160 for easier scaling to HD.

[Krane]

Actually, you'd need ~4 HD cameras to equal 4K (4096x2304) — so-called "Quad HD" or "4K HD" is a slightly-smaller 3840x2160 for easier scaling to HD.

Available via JVC for the bargain price of $5,000. Its a hideous looking thing (most new cameras are these day) with a gaudy 4k emblem on the side, but it's the only budget minded (that is under 20 grand) way to get the job done. Now all you need is the 4k monitor and the NLE that can accept its codec.

[Erik Bien]

Plus IIRC, it essentially records four HD pictures on four separate memory cards, relying on software to stitch them back together in post. (What could possibly go wrong?)

Oh, and it's made by JVC ...

[Halsu]

I would not worry about 4k too much. Cameras like arri alexa that are used to shoot high profile blockbusters only do 2k. Most film scans are / were 2k. Plenty of high profile films ranging from star wars to benjamin button etc. are shot in plain vanilla HD. Even when shooting with 4k cameras like red, the post is more often than not done in 2k. See a repeating theme here? And to to keep things in perspective, film prints as seen in theaters do barely 720p in practice when the resolution is measured.

[Krane]

I would not worry about 4k too much. Cameras like arri alexa that are used to shoot high profile blockbusters only do 2k. Most film scans are / were 2k. Plenty of high profile films ranging from star wars to benjamin button etc. are shot in plain vanilla HD. Even when shooting with 4k cameras like red, the post is more often than not done in 2k. See a repeating theme here? And to to keep things in perspective, film prints as seen in theaters do barely 720p in practice when the resolution is measured.

Well we're in a technological profession by default. That means the idea is to be prepared before the need arises. There's some proof to that by the proliferation of all the new 4k cameras being released recently.

Sure, we will likely be shooting in HD for some years to come (DV is even still around), but wouldn't it be nice to have your work stand the test of time? You might have seen Gone With the Wind on the small screen growing up, but isn't it a new experience when you get to see it again on your big screen and in HD?

I don't know about you, but if people want to buy my work again when it comes out in 4k ten years from now, I won't have any objection to it.

[Halsu]

Well we're in a technological profession by default.

I have nothing against technology, or 4K. Quite the opposite, i have shot a fair amount of my projects in 4K, though most of those have finished in HD resolution or less. First end-to-end 4K project i was involved in (postcards from the future, 2007) was shot before red cameras were even out, with dalsa origin prototype camera... But when it comes to the de facto standard of today, HD or 2K is the name of the game.

[cgbier]

To have 4k to be a standard for distribution, you'll first have to get more bandwidth on the net. With the state of states' finances, I doubt that this will happen soon. For the privatizing fans here: don't count that private entities will upsize their bandwidth - too expensive for their shareholders.

[Krane]

I have nothing against technology, or 4K. Quite the opposite, i have shot a fair amount of my projects in 4K, though most of those have finished in HD resolution or less. First end-to-end 4K project i was involved in (postcards from the future, 2007) was shot before red cameras were even out, with dalsa origin prototype camera... But when it comes to the de facto standard of today, HD or 2K is the name of the game.

Granted there will come a time when we'll reach a limit so that we can't tell the difference, but if today's standard is there yet remains to be seen. I don't know about you, but i remember 1/2" and thinking its quality was great.

However, that was only because our TV wouldn't allow us to see anything beyond 350 lines of resolution. Once you see the difference, you'll never go back. After all, could you go back and be satisfied with VHS?

To have 4k to be a standard for distribution, you'll first have to get more bandwidth on the net. With the state of states' finances, I doubt that this will happen soon. For the privatizing fans here: don't count that private entities will upsize their bandwidth - too expensive for their shareholders.

Same here. I know it takes a while for the infrastructure to catch up, but aren't you glad when it does? How many people do yo know that said they didn't need HD or a flat screen still watching their programs on the CRT? For me, not a single one.