Adobe CS6: Good, Bad, Ugly?

[Krane]

i'm still out on speed grade, but kind of like prelude.

Speed Grade is a high quality cinema level tool suitable for professional film production. Far beyond anything I have done. As for Prelude, I didn't get chance to experiment with it, but it seem a great asset for cataloging and managing your media. I'm not sure how well it competes since I haven't read any reviews on it.

Nevertheless, the media management in Avid Media Composer 6 is likely still the undisputed champion in that department. Although it now charges a hefty separate fee for that addition to the Media Composer package.

The one thing I would like to see return in CS is a full function pro version of OnLocation. A great tool that never really got off the ground or developed enough for the serious/pro videographer. That addition would certainly put the CS suite over the top.

[cgbier]

Why is he kidding? My first experience with Premiere was also 6, then 6.5. ...and that wasn't a good one.

[cgbier]

Prelude seems to be some beta tryout for me. It needs deeper integration into Premiere. It's simply Adobe's answer to FCP X' media management, but it's not there yet.

AVID's media management is only great when you follow every thing to the dot. Otherwise, it can blow your project into Nirvana. It needs a major update to get into the 21st century.

[Krane]

Why is he kidding? My first experience with Premiere was also 6, then 6.5. ...and that wasn't a good one.

I'm not implying that he's wrong. Just that I'm not sure when he's joking or wants a serious response.

[cgbier]

Uhm, no, Adobe has changed their numbering system when they started their Creative Suite, so he's neither wrong nor kidding

[Almohada]

True, CG. I believe 6.5 was the last one til the Pro's started coming out

[Krane]

True, CG. I believe 6.5 was the last one til the Pro's started coming out

That was also 2002. Very nearly the equivalent of the days of splicing film. Adobe (as well as everyone else) have come a long way since then.

Which brings me to the slip and slide tools. What a joy to use these intuitive and easily applied tools. Contained the tool pallet which can be unlocked and moved anywhere most convenient to the use.

Although not unique to Premiere, its application is simple, precise and easy to apply and use. I could never get it to work quite right in FCP; it would always jump a frame or two from the point I wanted. I'm glad the FCP crew finally got it right--if not in FCP.

[dearcatastrophe]

AVID's media management is only great when you follow every thing to the dot. Otherwise, it can blow your project into Nirvana. It needs a major update to get into the 21st century.

thats the problem with everything avid, from the drivers you use, hardware, everything. one misstep and you are out of production.

[Krane]

thats the problem with everything avid, from the drivers you use, hardware, everything. one misstep and you are out of production.

Whippersnappers. If not for Avid you'd all still be splicing tape.

[dearcatastrophe]

Whippersnappers. If not for Avid you'd all still be splicing tape.

whippersnappers? thanks, makes me feel young again.

it doesn't matter that avid was a pioneer in editing, the problem is they haven't progressed much beyond where they started.

adobe has done a lot to fix their legacy of shortcomings. apple besides buying shake then dumping shake, and sending mixed messages, is at least trying to advance the whole process. but avid is stuck in prior decades.
we know why, because the cronies that have been using MC forever bitch and whine every time change happens. when all those old farts die, avid is going to go with them.

[cgbier]

Uhm, DC Shake wasn't just dumped. A lot of its features are to find in Motion. Apple got rid off the rest, as it would have been too much of recoding in Cocoa. Similar reason why we never saw FCP from Apple (the change from the ancient QT foundation to A/V).

... Well, now we see FCP 8 from Adobe

[Krane]

adobe has done a lot to fix their legacy of shortcomings.

You say that as if they're still selling mechanical linear editing machines.

apple besides buying shake then dumping shake, and sending mixed messages, is at least trying to advance the whole process.

In fact, they're trying to advance their pocket books

but avid is stuck in prior decades.

Avid caters to conservatives with discriminating taste. Not the rank and file.

we know why, because the cronies that have been using MC forever bitch and whine every time change happens. when all those old farts die, avid is going to go with them.

Point being?

[Rainer]

If not for Avid you'd all still be splicing tape.

No-one's denying Avid's advances back in the 1990's. That's why so many people started using it, and thanks to the mother duck syndrome still are using it. It's just that AMC still is stuck in the 90's. Time to move on.